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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 1:34pm

Al Fakher - Verkauf?

Halli hallo,

habe mich gerade in diesem Forum angemeldet, kenne es zwar schon länger und habe mir auch diverse Tips durchgelesen, die - zum Teil - geklappt haben.

Nun habe ich aber eine Frage zum Golden Al Fakher Tabak:
Mir kam zu Ohren, dass es in Deutschland verboten sei, diesen Tabak öffentlich zu verkaufen, da er gewisse EU-Normen (Tabak sei zu feucht etc.) nicht einhalte. Nun stellt sich die Frage, inwiefern man rechtlich auf jemanden zurückgreifen kann, der diesen Tabak trotzdem beispielsweise bei eBay oder ähnlichen Anbietern verkauft.

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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 1:37pm

Schau mal im Biete/suche bereich dieses Boards, da gibts massig AF. Oder du bestellst dir eben im Ausland welchen, z.b schweiz oder USA :)

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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 1:39pm

Ich glaube das war nicht seine Frage sondern ob es illegal ist den zu verkaufen!


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Alles Top gelaufen :)

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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 1:40pm

wenn derjenige den tabak verzollt hat und den handel nicht als gewerbe betreibt, ist alles im grünen.
wenn er das gewerblich macht, kann ihm seine gewerbelizenz entzogen werden und wenn der tabak auch nicht verzollt war, dann droht im auch eine anzeige wegen steuerhinterziehung.

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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 1:45pm

Wieso fragste? Haste vor n eBay Verkäufer anzuschwärzen? ^^

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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 1:45pm

zu Deutsch heißt es, dass es nicht illegal wäre, diesen Tabak im Internet über Online-Verkaufhäuser anzubieten, wenn man den Tabak von einem Gewerbe gekauft hat?
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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 1:48pm

Gewerblicher Handel mit feuchtem Tabak ist verboten, was du sonst damit anstellst ist alleine deine Sache! Privat verkaufen ist erlaubt wenn es keine riesigen Mengen sind, ich glaube ab 5 kilo wird es gewerblich, also so ist es zumindest beim verzollen
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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 1:53pm

Das hieße, dass diese Art von Verkauf>> KLICK illegal wäre bzw. man einen rechtlich dafür anprangern kann? Oder erst wenn die verkaufte Menge 20 Packungen (= 5kg) entsprächen?
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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 2:07pm

Ja also der verkauft 2,5 Kilo und ist als privater Verkäufer registriert, das ist sicherlich schon grenzwertig. Aber eBay ist eh so eine rechtliche Grauzone find ich. Man müsste mal einen Zollbeamten fragen...

Theoretisch beginnt gewerblicher Handel sobald ich etwas günstig kaufe, teurer verkaufe und somit Gewinn mache. Aber ich bin weder Geschäftsmann noch hab ich sonst eine Qualifikation zu dem Thema, das leitet sich alles aus meinem (hoffentlich ;)) gesunden Menschenverstand ab.
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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 2:29pm

Das Angebot liegt noch im rechtlichen Rahmen. Ab 20 Packungen oder meherer parallele Auktionen wäre es problemtischer.
Aber WARUM fragst Du eigentlich?

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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 2:32pm

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Das Angebot liegt noch im rechtlichen Rahmen. Ab 20 Packungen oder meherer parallele Auktionen wäre es problemtischer.
Aber WARUM fragst Du eigentlich?

mfg
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genau das hab ich mich auch gefragt, wenn du tabak verkaufen willst, dann frag lieber bei der behörde nach

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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 2:32pm

ist es nicht so das in ebay generell der verkauf von tabak verboten ist??

bin grad über den preis überrascht, hab in ebay schon alten nakhla für über 20€ rausgehn sehn^^

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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 2:36pm

Nee, generell verboten ist der Verkauf von Tabak bei ebay nicht, allerdings muss der Preis Sofortkauf sein und dem Preis auf der Steuermarke entsprechen sofern eine drauf ist!
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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 2:36pm

Die Versteigerung von Tabak ist verboten. Zum Festpreis darf angeboten werden.

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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 2:44pm

Ich habe gerade die Ebay-Grundsätze angesehen und Al Fakher darf eigentlich garnicht bei ebay angeboten werden! Erlaubt sind nur Tabake, die den Richtlinien der deutschen Tabakverordnung entsprechen, also 5% und Steuermarke! Nachzulesen hier! Ebay scheint nur noch nicht gemerkt zu haben, dass AF und alles was da sonst noch angeboten wird keine Steuermarke besitzt^^
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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 2:48pm

Naja, wie will Ebay da noch durchblicken. Es wird da ja nicht nur Tabak verkauft.

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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 2:52pm

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Original von -Mole-
Ich habe gerade die Ebay-Grundsätze angesehen und Al Fakher darf eigentlich garnicht bei ebay angeboten werden! Erlaubt sind nur Tabake, die den Richtlinien der deutschen Tabakverordnung entsprechen, also 5% und Steuermarke! Nachzulesen hier! Ebay scheint nur noch nicht gemerkt zu haben, dass AF und alles was da sonst noch angeboten wird keine Steuermarke besitzt^^


Naja, hier im Forum steht auch, dass nur Verzollter Tabak angeboten werden darf und 5 Threads drüber sind Threads, in denen es darum geht, wie man am besten den Zoll umgeht.

Das sind einfach diese rechtlichen absicherungen...
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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 3:00pm

Ja, mit dem Unterschied dass eBay am Arsc* ist wenn rauskommt, dass sie illigalen Tabakhandel ermöglichen! Desswegen kümmern sie sich im allgemeinen auch darum, dass nix bei ihnen verkauft wird was nicht darf. Warscheinlich ist es einfach die Unwissenheit, dass Al Fakher und Havana etc. keine Steuerbanderolen haben, sonst würden solche Angebote ganz schnell gelöscht.
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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 3:40pm

In jeder Auktion steht groß
Über 30% feichtigkeit! :P


Ebay is ja so nicht haftbar.

Sie habend as sich schon so abgeschirmt, dass nur die Verkäufer haften.

Und da es ja Privatkonten sind, können sie ja garnicht Gewerblich verkaufen, weil sie ja sonst nen Geschäftliches Konto haben müssten.
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Saturday, November 11th 2006, 3:42pm

Ganz genau. Und deshalb werd ich das meinem Freund auch mal wieder ausreden den dort zu verkaufen.
Die Wahrscheinlichkeit, dass n Fahnder oder ein eBay Admin solch ein Angebot herausfindet, ist nicht allzu hoch denk ich mal, aber nem Risiko muss man sich ja nicht unbedingt aussetzen!

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